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Felix Salmon of Fusion, emerging-markets expert Anna Szymanski, and Slate Moneybox columnist Jordan Weissmann discuss:

-       Visa’s push to go cashless
-       Coding boot camps
-       Warren Buffett trying to get into the utilities market

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Virginia Heffernan talks to ProPublica's Justin Elliot about his reporting surrounding Trump's lawyer, Marc Kasowitz, and the most recent developments in Trump's defense including the impending hire of Ty Cobb. Also, Jamie Gorelick is stepping back from the Russia investigation on Jared Kushner's side – what does this mean for his case? And what impact do all these different lawyers on all these different sides have on the collection of defenses building up inside the White House?

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Director David Lowery has made one of the most remarkable films of 2017 so far, and he’s built it around a ridiculous image: a white sheet with two eye-holes cut out. So what makes “A Ghost Story” feel so epic? And what’s with that 10-minute pie scene? Spoilers abound.     For the Spiel: so, who was in the room with Don Jr. and the Russians?  Join Slate Plus! Members get bonus segments, exclusive member-only podcasts, and more. Sign up for a free trial today at slate.com/gistplus.

Jim Newell and Jordan Weissmann discuss the latest draft of the health care legislation, which Republicans released on Thursday. Sen. Mitch McConnell’s bold tactic was to try to sway conservatives with policy concessions and to throw money at moderate holdouts. They ask why Senate moderates still haven’t definitively come out against the bill and whether Republican leadership will use a partisan source to score the bill if they decide the Congressional Budget Office would take “too long” to do the job. 

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"The Wasted Mind of Ben Sasse" by Ben Mathis-Lilley | Originally published on 7/13/2017

Mary Wilson with today’s three things: Papua New Guinea’s thin-skinned elections chief, a hacker targets one of the State Department’s top Russian specialists, and Kermit gets a new voice. 

Aisha Harris talks Kumail Nanjiani’s romantic comedy, The Big Sick with Ahmed Akbar, host of BuzzFeed’s podcast, See Something Say Something. And Vulture writer, Alex Jung comes on to discusses the reports of unequal pay on Hawaii Five-0.

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Retired Admiral James Stavridis wants to remind us: Despite headlines about the rise of ISIS, there are bigger existential threats to America. “Terrorism is not apocalyptic, it’s a tool,” says Stavridis. He warns that conflicts with Russia and China are much more worrisome and likely to include a maritime component. “Again and again when there’s a crisis, the first question from the president is, where are the [aircraft] carriers? They are flexible and they can strike.” His new book is Sea Power.

In the Spiel, making a supergroup of the musicians in Trump’s White House.

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Emily Bazelon, David Plotz and John Dickerson discuss what can be done to protect American democracy, the state of the GOP healthcare bill, and Mark Leibovich joins in to assess Trump's draining of the swamp. 

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Jamelle Bouie talks to Patrick Caldwell, a health care reporter at Mother Jones, about the latest iteration of the Senate health bill and the politics surrounding it.